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Question DetailsAsked on 6/16/2014

We will be installing 6 pocket doors. What is available with very small frame for each door to maximize the view?

We would like the doors to all slide into one side, and we would like pocket door screens (also with small frame) to slide into either the same or other side.

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I don't follow - normal pocket doors install in their side frame in the same dimesions as normal door frame, flush to surface using finger pull to close them, and take up no more width then normal wall thickness.


Is this 6 pocket door panels in one single opening, like an interlocking Japanese screen door ? Photo of a 3-panel setup here (bottom 3 photos) -


http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML...


If so, there are specialty door companies that make hardwre and tracks for that - called parallel bypass doors - they can actually close in the same slot edge to edge (if there is enough lateral wall space) or face to face with near-zero clearance, using special multi-rail tracks - if not done as 6 parallel oerlapping doors, takes very special tracks so they run out edge to edge, but when opened each door takes to its own parking track to park face to face. I did see one in a museum, used to close of part for parties and slide/movie showings as such, where there were four panels, closed edge to edge but parked at one side in two tracks - one track with panels 1 and 3, other with panels 2 and 4. Never could figure out why they did not just use twice as wide a double-image panel and only two panels, but looked nice.


Commercial door companies sell these and you can find them in Sweets Catalog and Thomas Register under Doors - Specialty - commonly used in hotel conference rooms as dividers, in museums and art galleries as hidden display panels, in tourist spots for mural walls to divide rooms or block off low angle sunlight, etc. Johnson Hardware and Schaaf (Schaef ?) Door, Hettich Grant, Real Sliding Hardware, and RomaPorte are some that make and/or supply the hardware and tracks I know of - though for 6 panels I have never heard of going to one side with all - that is going to take an ultra-thick facade faced wall for the panel "parking lot".


Maybe I am missing something here - provide more details using the Answer This Question button right below your question, maybe.

Answered 5 years ago by LCD

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Thanks for the insight. I am sorry, the pocket doors are glass and we want to maintain a full view of the outside garden.

Answered 5 years ago by Guest_9052484

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Ooohhhhh - NOW I see. Glass pocket doors are so rare, except in some hospitals and secure facilities like computer and operations centers, that I did not even think of them.

Though now I am even more confused - if these are exterior doors, one would not commonly use pocket doors - unless between a room and a sunroom/florida room with a roof maybe - because they cannot be made weathertight worth beans.


If these are outside doors, then you would be probably be looking at an external-track sliding glass door - one that glides in a track mounted to the outside of the house (though any windows in the way have to have flush exterior frames so it can pass by) - and commonly is one large panel or a single segmented-pane panel rather than mutliple, to avoid between-panel waterleaks. Makes it pricey if larger than normal sliding glass door panel. A screen door panel could then slide in another track outside that. These are rare, but are used on big inland-waters cruise ship balcony windows (like on river cruise boats) at times to preserve full balcony viewing width, some ultra-resorts for balcony and bar veranda doors (so they are full width opening for viewing and people to come and go) and occasionally to convert a covered balcony into an enclosed balcony, like at resort bars, to block out adverse weather. I also saw them years ago on some racetrack or ball stadium I was reviewing a design for though I don't remember where - for the owners and VIP boxes so whether open or closed there was an unobstructed view. The inside of the window glazing frame can be sized so it is flush with opening so there is no visible frame either when open or closed, though of course that increases cost as glass gets larger - and of course has to be shatter-proof or bullet-proof glass like a sliding glass door so pricier per square foot to begin with. Seals to block out wter/weather against stops and jams on outside of house, rather than into tracks and rails set into the rough opening like normal sliding glass doors, so can actually be more wateright than a normal french or sliding glass door.

That brings up one other possibility - you lose a bit of width but no frames in center again and full-height opening - solid glass bifold or trifold doors on each side of opening - which I would strongly suspect would be cheaper than a large exterior track sliding glass door solution, if this is not an exterior door situation.

I would suggest going and talking to one or more local commercial door and window dealers about alternatives, because they even make vertical glass sliding doors that open upward like a security screen, rather than sideways - commonly used for entrance doors for fancy stores and malls - more overseas than in US but I do remember seeing it in the US at least once - maybe at Radio Music Hall or Mall of the Americas or someplace like that. If you are working with an architect he can find alternatives easier than you can, using Thomas Register or Sweets catalog or such.

Good luck and let us know what you end up doing and enclose a picture or two when done if you are inclined.

Answered 5 years ago by LCD

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Thanks for the great suggestion. I love the idea of the cruise ships.


Yes, the doors open out to a covered/semi enclosed deck area. I have looked at some sliding doors (on tracks), btu they have 4+" frames around the glass (all sides). It obstructs the full view. I'd like to see something with as small a frame as possble at least on the sides.

Looking for some guidance on door companies that are making them or is this a custom product?

Answered 5 years ago by Guest_9052484

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Has been a long while since I been involved with one (and have done very few) - undoubtedly custom - check online for Sweet's Catalog (building products) under doors - should be able to find some good candidate supplier names ot check websites of, or check with your local commercial door supplier.


The 4" frame sounds about right - but with exterior track doors, entire door can park off to the side as far as necessary to be clear of the opening, same as a pocket door - just mounted on the outside of the house (with appropriate concealing trim or valence), so effectively a lot like pocket door but mounted on outside of house. Could even have a removeable (for maintenance if needed) facade panel mounted in front of it if wanted, like a little garage.


Get ideas, and some links to company websites, here -

http://www.google.com/images?client=s...


even a few pictures of exactly what we are talking about, plus one on first page to left side of exterior pocket doors too.


Good luck - unfortunately this is likely to take a DEEP pockeetbook - I am guessing $5-10,000 minimum for single-panel exterior track door, and pushing $5-8,000 probably for pocket - and that excludes anything you have to do to put an awning or porch roof over them to protet from debris and direct rainfall.

One other thing I don't remember if I mentioned is multi-panel bifold doors - would park at the side indoors off to the side of the opening to provide full width opening - though definitely poor for water exposure so would need GOOD deep patio roof overhead to protect from driving rain.

Answered 5 years ago by LCD

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Had cause to come back to your question in reference to another one - here is a Google search phrase that should help you - full-opening balcony doors . Put the work images in front and you get,instead of articles and company links like Jeld-Wen, pictures of full-opening patio/balcony doors from various websites of all kinds - should give you LOTS of ideas as well as a number of vendor sites to check out.

Answered 5 years ago by LCD




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